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	<title>Comments on: Industry sponsored research?  Leave it on the shelf!</title>
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		<title>By: JoeDuck</title>
		<link>http://joeduck.com/2007/02/27/industry-sponsored-research-leave-it-on-the-shelf/#comment-20542</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 06:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The quality of the data is so poor that anyone basing later decisions on it is on slippery ground&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, but they do it nonetheless.  If there was *one reform* I&#039;d like to see with public spending it would be an unbiased and *BINDING* ROI analysis for every major spending decision that would force low ROI projects out of the loop.  Savings from this?   50+% of all Govt spending.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The quality of the data is so poor that anyone basing later decisions on it is on slippery ground</i></p>
<p>Yes, but they do it nonetheless.  If there was *one reform* I&#8217;d like to see with public spending it would be an unbiased and *BINDING* ROI analysis for every major spending decision that would force low ROI projects out of the loop.  Savings from this?   50+% of all Govt spending.</p>
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		<title>By: Fools Gold</title>
		<link>http://joeduck.com/2007/02/27/industry-sponsored-research-leave-it-on-the-shelf/#comment-20519</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 11:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Often there is a dearth of truly neutral, scholarly research. 

Environmental Impact Statements are advocacy documents. There may be two sides but each side has advocates, not researchers.

A stadium&#039;s value to a city? Rent Control? Growth Managment? A Public Referendum? ... There won&#039;t be any neutral scholarly researchers instead there will be advocacy groups with misleading names and distinct views to advocate under the guise of research. There may be no middle ground at all. The quality of the data is so poor that anyone basing later decisions on it is on slippery ground.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Often there is a dearth of truly neutral, scholarly research. </p>
<p>Environmental Impact Statements are advocacy documents. There may be two sides but each side has advocates, not researchers.</p>
<p>A stadium&#8217;s value to a city? Rent Control? Growth Managment? A Public Referendum? &#8230; There won&#8217;t be any neutral scholarly researchers instead there will be advocacy groups with misleading names and distinct views to advocate under the guise of research. There may be no middle ground at all. The quality of the data is so poor that anyone basing later decisions on it is on slippery ground.</p>
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		<title>By: JoeDuck</title>
		<link>http://joeduck.com/2007/02/27/industry-sponsored-research-leave-it-on-the-shelf/#comment-20495</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Most ‘research’ is advocacy&lt;/i&gt;

Somewhat ironically, the closer you get to research with high  practical value the more problems you have with bias since the outcome affects the chance the researcher will get funded again or directly suits the agenda of the research group as with the radio study above.

Of course the responsibility for &quot;fixing&quot; this best rests with the users of the data, and until they become more discriminating about math we&#039;ll continue to see worthless data held up as &quot;interesting&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Most ‘research’ is advocacy</i></p>
<p>Somewhat ironically, the closer you get to research with high  practical value the more problems you have with bias since the outcome affects the chance the researcher will get funded again or directly suits the agenda of the research group as with the radio study above.</p>
<p>Of course the responsibility for &#8220;fixing&#8221; this best rests with the users of the data, and until they become more discriminating about math we&#8217;ll continue to see worthless data held up as &#8220;interesting&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Fools Gold</title>
		<link>http://joeduck.com/2007/02/27/industry-sponsored-research-leave-it-on-the-shelf/#comment-20493</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its the same way with medical studies. If the results look disappointing, the study is cancelled or at best the data is consigned to the bottom drawer of some filing cabinet. Even if a researcher does want to write something up its hard to get anything published that is unimpressive. Journals want &#039;pizzazz&#039; even in scholarly works and few publishers really want to offend advertisers or indirect funders. A lot of medical research is intentionally truncated rather early so as to avoid unpleasant discoveries. 

Most &#039;research&#039; is advocacy anyway and not true &#039;research&#039;. Sure those radio gimmicks of &#039;12th caller&#039; gives them data, the phone company equipment they lease counts the busy signals and they can show advertisers some impressive charts. Same with TV and ratings, though often its overly &quot;massaged&quot; data.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its the same way with medical studies. If the results look disappointing, the study is cancelled or at best the data is consigned to the bottom drawer of some filing cabinet. Even if a researcher does want to write something up its hard to get anything published that is unimpressive. Journals want &#8216;pizzazz&#8217; even in scholarly works and few publishers really want to offend advertisers or indirect funders. A lot of medical research is intentionally truncated rather early so as to avoid unpleasant discoveries. </p>
<p>Most &#8216;research&#8217; is advocacy anyway and not true &#8216;research&#8217;. Sure those radio gimmicks of &#8217;12th caller&#8217; gives them data, the phone company equipment they lease counts the busy signals and they can show advertisers some impressive charts. Same with TV and ratings, though often its overly &#8220;massaged&#8221; data.</p>
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