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	<title>Comments on: Earthquakes and Cyclones are a small part of a much more tragic story</title>
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		<title>By: horatiox</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;As Eisenhower noted one of the the greatest threats to the USA was the rise of the military industrial establishment. This is often misinterpreted to think he was worried about capitalism .....&lt;/i&gt;


Isn&#039;t the military-industrial complex usually tied to capitalism? They are at least related: Northrop-Grumman, for instance, is a corporation, has shareholders, operates in the private sector, etc.  I understand your point (and Ike&#039;s), yet the public cannot really take on corporate power, nor are they usually qualified to do so.  The problems with the massive defense budgets are systemic; yes, it&#039;s a massive bureaucracy, but at the same time tied to US corporate power.  Galbraith discussed this issue in his discussions of &quot;oligopoly&quot;:  a sort of melding of socialist (even stalinistic) state power and corporate, monopolies. That oligopolic structure includes not only defense contractors/corporations, but oil companies, automotive biz, finance etc.  The US economy&#039;s like a collusion between Northrop/Boeing/Lockheed, the Exxon/Chevron mob, Ford/Chevy execs, financiers, some Fed boys, and  maybe Ho-wood moguls.

There&#039;s little citizens can do against that, unless rewrite the Constitution, or like wave a hammer and sickle (or perhaps swastika).  However, I believe that the current USA economic structure would offend not only a Madison or Jefferson but Adam Smith himself: Smith was quite in favor of govt. regulations to prevent monopoly or hoarding situations (ie, the oil crisis), and his econ. ideas are more socialistic than some might imagine (as are Keynes). Alas, barring radical or revolutionary action, I doubt any substantial econ. reforms will occur in the USA: as Nietzsche said, &quot;Menschliches, Allzumenschliches&quot; (Human, all too human)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As Eisenhower noted one of the the greatest threats to the USA was the rise of the military industrial establishment. This is often misinterpreted to think he was worried about capitalism &#8230;..</i></p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t the military-industrial complex usually tied to capitalism? They are at least related: Northrop-Grumman, for instance, is a corporation, has shareholders, operates in the private sector, etc.  I understand your point (and Ike&#8217;s), yet the public cannot really take on corporate power, nor are they usually qualified to do so.  The problems with the massive defense budgets are systemic; yes, it&#8217;s a massive bureaucracy, but at the same time tied to US corporate power.  Galbraith discussed this issue in his discussions of &#8220;oligopoly&#8221;:  a sort of melding of socialist (even stalinistic) state power and corporate, monopolies. That oligopolic structure includes not only defense contractors/corporations, but oil companies, automotive biz, finance etc.  The US economy&#8217;s like a collusion between Northrop/Boeing/Lockheed, the Exxon/Chevron mob, Ford/Chevy execs, financiers, some Fed boys, and  maybe Ho-wood moguls.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s little citizens can do against that, unless rewrite the Constitution, or like wave a hammer and sickle (or perhaps swastika).  However, I believe that the current USA economic structure would offend not only a Madison or Jefferson but Adam Smith himself: Smith was quite in favor of govt. regulations to prevent monopoly or hoarding situations (ie, the oil crisis), and his econ. ideas are more socialistic than some might imagine (as are Keynes). Alas, barring radical or revolutionary action, I doubt any substantial econ. reforms will occur in the USA: as Nietzsche said, &#8220;Menschliches, Allzumenschliches&#8221; (Human, all too human)</p>
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		<title>By: JoeDuck</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 02:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As Eisenhower noted one of the the greatest threats to the USA was the rise of the military industrial establishment.   This is often misinterpreted to think he was worried about capitalism when he was preciently concerned that the shortsighted stupidity of bureaucrats and lack of accountability would be exploited by opportunistic contractors.  I don&#039;t think even he would believe how insane this mixture has become, and even most of us accept it because it has become familiar and is seen as politically necessary to support bloated military budgets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Eisenhower noted one of the the greatest threats to the USA was the rise of the military industrial establishment.   This is often misinterpreted to think he was worried about capitalism when he was preciently concerned that the shortsighted stupidity of bureaucrats and lack of accountability would be exploited by opportunistic contractors.  I don&#8217;t think even he would believe how insane this mixture has become, and even most of us accept it because it has become familiar and is seen as politically necessary to support bloated military budgets.</p>
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		<title>By: horatiox</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 02:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice sentiments, but those in the defense biz--whether contractors, R n D, engineers, even assemblers-- make a lot of dough, and most don&#039;t really want to sacrifice their jobs. At least in socal, civilian aerospace never fared too well, alas. 

When Northrop, or Mc-D, Lockheed, etc. want to build Stealths, supercarriers, or Earth-Incineration-Beams, most Cali politicians and citizens approve, regardless if it&#039;s a few billion or so. Even DiDi Feinstein approves.  It feeds off some strange mass-paranoia perhaps, but it&#039;s not like Russia and China are laying down their swords or satellites either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice sentiments, but those in the defense biz&#8211;whether contractors, R n D, engineers, even assemblers&#8211; make a lot of dough, and most don&#8217;t really want to sacrifice their jobs. At least in socal, civilian aerospace never fared too well, alas. </p>
<p>When Northrop, or Mc-D, Lockheed, etc. want to build Stealths, supercarriers, or Earth-Incineration-Beams, most Cali politicians and citizens approve, regardless if it&#8217;s a few billion or so. Even DiDi Feinstein approves.  It feeds off some strange mass-paranoia perhaps, but it&#8217;s not like Russia and China are laying down their swords or satellites either.</p>
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