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		<title>By: rob defulgentiis</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Joe,

Excuse me for butting in...but I&#039;m the new Director at the soon to re-launch Kinderstart.com, and I stumbled upon your blog from a few years ago regarding the KS/Google lawsuit and Professor Goldman&#039;s defense of Google (May 2006). 

Here&#039;s what I sent to Eric Goldman last night - thought you might enjoy:

&quot;Hi Professor Goldman,
 
This is very old news by now - the Kinderstart vs Google lawsuit.

You expressed an opinion about that suit. 
One of your key declarations was this:
 
&quot;Google, like every other search engine operator, has made that determination for its users, exercising its judgment and expressing its opinion about the relative significance of websites in a manner that has made it the search engine of choice for millions.&quot;
 
I&#039;m not a lawyer, but one very basic question - the kind that laws/lawyers/law professors somehow manage to circumvent from time to time -  was never adequately addressed by any of the Google defenders: one day, thousands (by several accounts up to 1 million a month) of freely acting individuals accessed Kinderstart (did the site provide them a useful service?) and the next day those same thousands were denied access to that site by a third party entity - why? Whose judgement about the usefulness of anything is supposed to be paramount in a free market? What individuals were asking for Google&#039;s benign/paternalistic intercession and editing of choices on their behalf?
 
Google, at the end of the day, is nothing more than a hi-tech yellow pages. Period. It is gargantuan, successful, powerful, but a yellow pages nonetheless. Last time I looked, the yellow pages did not eliminate listees (unless they are profain or breaking laws) based on their subjective judgment about a listees &quot;significance&quot;. The only yellow pages that might contemplate such a strategy would be a monopoly or near monopolistic entity - does that describe Google?
 
Google, at that time, was posing as an objective instrument, an unbiased conduit to Internet content...........only it wasn&#039;t. It professed algorithmically clean-hands &amp; complete objectivity, but in fact, it acted just the opposite. The suit was largely about establishing that fact  -   that Google acted subjectively and was essentially lying and deceptive to the public about it&#039;s practices, listing criteria etc. 

Google was understandably uncomfortable about probing this issue - afterall, how many corporate entities want to be accurately and fully revealed for who and what they truly are? In the world of business a little truth is good, but too much truth tends to mess up ROI or a long range business plan. Can&#039;t have that. BP wants people to watch their ads and dream about &quot;greenwashing&quot; and &quot;low carbon diets&quot;.......some truth in that, but a bigger truth, and a nightmare, sits out in the Gulf of Mexico.
 
I&#039;m writing about this because Kinderstart is about to re-launch (with quite updated features/content to complement its screened directory).......and I&#039;ve always felt that Kinderstart detractors missed the heart of the issue - that a large, powerful, politically connected entity seeking to quash competition edited and limited the choice of hundreds of thousands of freely acting consumers - and who cared about that? Not Google and apparently not the law.
 
Sincerely,
 
Rob DeFulgentiis
Director
Kinderstart .com
roberto96@sbcglobal.net]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joe,</p>
<p>Excuse me for butting in&#8230;but I&#8217;m the new Director at the soon to re-launch Kinderstart.com, and I stumbled upon your blog from a few years ago regarding the KS/Google lawsuit and Professor Goldman&#8217;s defense of Google (May 2006). </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what I sent to Eric Goldman last night &#8211; thought you might enjoy:</p>
<p>&#8220;Hi Professor Goldman,</p>
<p>This is very old news by now &#8211; the Kinderstart vs Google lawsuit.</p>
<p>You expressed an opinion about that suit.<br />
One of your key declarations was this:</p>
<p>&#8220;Google, like every other search engine operator, has made that determination for its users, exercising its judgment and expressing its opinion about the relative significance of websites in a manner that has made it the search engine of choice for millions.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a lawyer, but one very basic question &#8211; the kind that laws/lawyers/law professors somehow manage to circumvent from time to time &#8211;  was never adequately addressed by any of the Google defenders: one day, thousands (by several accounts up to 1 million a month) of freely acting individuals accessed Kinderstart (did the site provide them a useful service?) and the next day those same thousands were denied access to that site by a third party entity &#8211; why? Whose judgement about the usefulness of anything is supposed to be paramount in a free market? What individuals were asking for Google&#8217;s benign/paternalistic intercession and editing of choices on their behalf?</p>
<p>Google, at the end of the day, is nothing more than a hi-tech yellow pages. Period. It is gargantuan, successful, powerful, but a yellow pages nonetheless. Last time I looked, the yellow pages did not eliminate listees (unless they are profain or breaking laws) based on their subjective judgment about a listees &#8220;significance&#8221;. The only yellow pages that might contemplate such a strategy would be a monopoly or near monopolistic entity &#8211; does that describe Google?</p>
<p>Google, at that time, was posing as an objective instrument, an unbiased conduit to Internet content&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..only it wasn&#8217;t. It professed algorithmically clean-hands &amp; complete objectivity, but in fact, it acted just the opposite. The suit was largely about establishing that fact  &#8211;   that Google acted subjectively and was essentially lying and deceptive to the public about it&#8217;s practices, listing criteria etc. </p>
<p>Google was understandably uncomfortable about probing this issue &#8211; afterall, how many corporate entities want to be accurately and fully revealed for who and what they truly are? In the world of business a little truth is good, but too much truth tends to mess up ROI or a long range business plan. Can&#8217;t have that. BP wants people to watch their ads and dream about &#8220;greenwashing&#8221; and &#8220;low carbon diets&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;.some truth in that, but a bigger truth, and a nightmare, sits out in the Gulf of Mexico.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m writing about this because Kinderstart is about to re-launch (with quite updated features/content to complement its screened directory)&#8230;&#8230;.and I&#8217;ve always felt that Kinderstart detractors missed the heart of the issue &#8211; that a large, powerful, politically connected entity seeking to quash competition edited and limited the choice of hundreds of thousands of freely acting consumers &#8211; and who cared about that? Not Google and apparently not the law.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Rob DeFulgentiis<br />
Director<br />
Kinderstart .com<br />
<a href="mailto:roberto96@sbcglobal.net">roberto96@sbcglobal.net</a></p>
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