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		<title>By: best country songs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[best country songs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 07:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yeah. I agree that their are lots of attraction in Asia and Europe. there you can see most of the seven wonders of the world. no wonder mostly of the performers want to travel and have a concerts around the world to promote their &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bestcountrysongs.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;top country songs&lt;/a&gt;. and also the hotels are fully book during peak seasons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah. I agree that their are lots of attraction in Asia and Europe. there you can see most of the seven wonders of the world. no wonder mostly of the performers want to travel and have a concerts around the world to promote their <a href="http://www.bestcountrysongs.org" rel="nofollow">top country songs</a>. and also the hotels are fully book during peak seasons.</p>
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		<title>By: LED Grow Light</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LED Grow Light]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 13:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[well, there are so many tourist attractions that you find on asia and europe. i would really love to travel a lot `;,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, there are so many tourist attractions that you find on asia and europe. i would really love to travel a lot `;,</p>
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		<title>By: Laser Etching Machine</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laser Etching Machine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i always make sure that i got a hotel reservation at least 1 week in advance to ensure that i got a reservation `,`]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i always make sure that i got a hotel reservation at least 1 week in advance to ensure that i got a reservation `,`</p>
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		<title>By: JoeDuck</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 21:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bamadad</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 21:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1372/1375   Didn&#039;t realize the spur road shortly became a dirt road-- maybe just past the unlocked gate which was 100 yards or so down the road.  Wow.  I wonder if the snow covered it and it felt like a hard surface on the night they drove down it. And to drive so far down it, has been a mystery too. 

In any event it&#039;s another in a series of mistakes that others have made on that road-- that&#039;s kind of the definition of stranded motorist. 

I do remember seeing video of how narrow the spur was, but there was an overhead photo of the SAAB which looked like it was on a paved road or at least at a paved intersection which was covered by two or more inches of water. 

Clearly some locals can clear this up. Sounds like a dirt road to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1372/1375   Didn&#8217;t realize the spur road shortly became a dirt road&#8211; maybe just past the unlocked gate which was 100 yards or so down the road.  Wow.  I wonder if the snow covered it and it felt like a hard surface on the night they drove down it. And to drive so far down it, has been a mystery too. </p>
<p>In any event it&#8217;s another in a series of mistakes that others have made on that road&#8211; that&#8217;s kind of the definition of stranded motorist. </p>
<p>I do remember seeing video of how narrow the spur was, but there was an overhead photo of the SAAB which looked like it was on a paved road or at least at a paved intersection which was covered by two or more inches of water. </p>
<p>Clearly some locals can clear this up. Sounds like a dirt road to me.</p>
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		<title>By: JoeDuck</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 21:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 21:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1382-

Mr. Wilson, you sound very polite. It just struck me
that - that part of the quote you included in your post  was not Kati&#039;s account, and it was implied that it was.

From all of Kati&#039;s actual accounts so far - they were
not aware of the signs and issues that you seem to 
believe they were aware of, until it was too late.

Also the important issues here are not about &quot;sides,&quot; and who&#039;s right and who&#039;s wrong. Everyone involved made mistakes. The importance is about understanding what mistakes were made and why, so that improvements can be made for the future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1382-</p>
<p>Mr. Wilson, you sound very polite. It just struck me<br />
that &#8211; that part of the quote you included in your post  was not Kati&#8217;s account, and it was implied that it was.</p>
<p>From all of Kati&#8217;s actual accounts so far &#8211; they were<br />
not aware of the signs and issues that you seem to<br />
believe they were aware of, until it was too late.</p>
<p>Also the important issues here are not about &#8220;sides,&#8221; and who&#8217;s right and who&#8217;s wrong. Everyone involved made mistakes. The importance is about understanding what mistakes were made and why, so that improvements can be made for the future.</p>
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		<title>By: dkf747</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 21:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1360 I have been asking that question for several weeks.  We discussed it a bit a few thousand posts ago.  I wish that there were a definitely accurate map.  Google Earth shows one thing, MS Streets and Trips another, Josephine County something very different.  The Jo Co map on vthe ODOT site does make sense, if it is accurate, for why they took 34-8-36 and not one of the other spurs.  Just the way that map is drawn seems to show that.  Somebody said somewhere that some of those other spurs are only accessible by 4wd truck, which, if true, would explain why they didn&#039;t use another spur (inthe absence of street signs on the BLM roads.  Kati is really the only one that can explain and answer this question.  Just my thoughts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1360 I have been asking that question for several weeks.  We discussed it a bit a few thousand posts ago.  I wish that there were a definitely accurate map.  Google Earth shows one thing, MS Streets and Trips another, Josephine County something very different.  The Jo Co map on vthe ODOT site does make sense, if it is accurate, for why they took 34-8-36 and not one of the other spurs.  Just the way that map is drawn seems to show that.  Somebody said somewhere that some of those other spurs are only accessible by 4wd truck, which, if true, would explain why they didn&#8217;t use another spur (inthe absence of street signs on the BLM roads.  Kati is really the only one that can explain and answer this question.  Just my thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: mapper</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 20:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Man my typos are terrible...trying to eat too!

anyway, sometimes have to tell my boss why something should NOT be changed

and meant that maybe sar will have more money to keep if they dont have to go on so many missions in that area.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man my typos are terrible&#8230;trying to eat too!</p>
<p>anyway, sometimes have to tell my boss why something should NOT be changed</p>
<p>and meant that maybe sar will have more money to keep if they dont have to go on so many missions in that area.</p>
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		<title>By: mapper</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 20:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Charles from Seattle sounds awfully familiar...

Anyway, Glenn, as is probably obvious. I agree.  It really isn&#039;t much consequence to me why they got on the longging road, its why they thought it was okay to take bear camp road in the first place.  Its also my professional opinion, that the ODOT map is not communicating the truth as effectivley as it should, or could.  Indeed, not blame, its just what most government (and private sector) workers are glad to improve on if it has been highlighted as something that could be better.

my director asks me to change maps all the time. I dont yell at her and tell her she is wrong.  On occasion I explain something to her that she may not understand and why it should be changed.  But quite often, she asks me to make changes and I do not take it personally...but say, yes, you have a good point.

Then I go home and forget about it, and go back the next day and the same thing happens, no big deal. This is what we do.  Who has a job and refuses to improve?

I&#039;m just commenting on the map right now, but agree with many others here about other improvements that could be made, in the prevention area.....that do not at all signify blame, or worse, lawsuits on the horizon.  Just concerned citizens trying to make it a safer place to drive, and make SAR a richer....as hopefully they wont have so many missions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles from Seattle sounds awfully familiar&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, Glenn, as is probably obvious. I agree.  It really isn&#8217;t much consequence to me why they got on the longging road, its why they thought it was okay to take bear camp road in the first place.  Its also my professional opinion, that the ODOT map is not communicating the truth as effectivley as it should, or could.  Indeed, not blame, its just what most government (and private sector) workers are glad to improve on if it has been highlighted as something that could be better.</p>
<p>my director asks me to change maps all the time. I dont yell at her and tell her she is wrong.  On occasion I explain something to her that she may not understand and why it should be changed.  But quite often, she asks me to make changes and I do not take it personally&#8230;but say, yes, you have a good point.</p>
<p>Then I go home and forget about it, and go back the next day and the same thing happens, no big deal. This is what we do.  Who has a job and refuses to improve?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just commenting on the map right now, but agree with many others here about other improvements that could be made, in the prevention area&#8230;..that do not at all signify blame, or worse, lawsuits on the horizon.  Just concerned citizens trying to make it a safer place to drive, and make SAR a richer&#8230;.as hopefully they wont have so many missions.</p>
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