Compete.com sale a champagne moment? Not at ~8% per year return it’s not.


Update:  Silicon Valley Insider is reporting that there is an additional 75MM in the deal as an “earnout” over the next several years.   That may make this deal sweeter than it appears at first.

At first glance you’d think the sale of website COMPETE.com, which measures web traffic, for 75MM must have been a big payday for a lot of folks.   However as Venture Beat notes some 43MM of venture capital had been poured into  COMPETE over the past 8 years.  

Assuming most of this came at the beginning of the cycle, and assuming most of the 75MM is going to the VCs, the return on this VC investment would be a very modest 8-10%.    If the founders and workers also had a decent stake in the sale this return could be lower – approaching what the VCs might have realized with long term CDs over the same time period.     Break out the champagne?

I’ve noted before the dirty little secret of many “successful” venture capital deals – they often make a very modest return when time is factored in properly.   In fact it appears that *most* VC deals lose money for the players.    Data is sketchy, and obviously only the winners are happy to share the details making it very difficult to analyze this since many (most) of these deals are not in the public record.  

Sure there are VC winners like Fred Wilson and Jeff Clavier, both very clever VCs who blog some of the details of their failures and successes.    However I think this is not typical, as Jeff even suggested here at the blog some time ago.

Venture Capitalism – luck or science?


Over at his excellent blog, A VC, Fred Wilson is bearing his Venture Capitalist soul and offering a lot of insight into his very successful VC firm.     Today, his analyses of why some startups fail sounded really compelling to me in the same way many stockpickers sound compelling.    Yet in the stockpicking world it’s common knowledge that past performance is no measure of the future.   In fact a lot of the ideas about “good” vs “bad” analysts are bogusly based on after-the-fact analysis of records.    Predictions, not after the fact stuff, are what we need to test hypotheses about what works and what does not.

Fred also has this post suggesting VC is not like stocks, but I’m not seeing data to support this.  In fact if he’s right – that the top VC funds can pick a lot more winners than losers – then why doesn’t *all the startup biz flow to them immediately?*.

My working hypothesis is turning into the following ideas:

Winning VC firms are like winning stock pickers – they for the most part are the firms  hat were at the right place at the right time.   The winning record is NOT the product of conscious, clever, consistent application of any sets of rules.    It is simply the product of math – you’ll have a top tier by definition.  

I also apply this rule to my own successes and failures in biz and life in general, though I always catch myself thinking I can “outwit” chance.    I think egos get in the way of good analysis about the world, which suggests a lot less control over things than we’d like to think.    This is still in the working hypothesis stage and I have not reconciled that fact that I can predict with enormous accuracy that, for example, I’ll be drinking coffee tomorrow morning, yet I can’t even tell you if Google stock will be up or down tomorrow.

NO – you can’t time stocks either, and I’ve got huge money to bet you if you think you can predict stock up and downs even slightly better than chance. 

With stocks when you use a performance record you don’t find good predictive relationships between the past and the future.   Many people think they *do* understand those past to future issues, but in the stock world this does not hold up to scrutiny.  If it did, staggeringly huge returns await anybody with even very modest  level of long term predictive power and a modest initial stake.   How?   

If you could predict the daily up or down movement of any stock  with even a modest level of accuracy you could use options (or buying short and long) to quickly turn a buck.  If the stock was highly volatile and options were available your leverage would turn a few thousand into a few million in a year thanks to leveraging of your success percentage predicting the up or down movement.   If you could predict things with high accuracy – well above chance – you could turn thousands into millions every month.    This does not happen.  

I’m open to a disproof or alternative hypothesis for VC firms.   But don’t tell me about successes and failures  – I want predictions.   There will  *always* be a top tier of winners.   What supports my hypothesis is that those winners change over time and past does not predict future (in Stocks – I’m really not up on VC stats except that the average returns are negative).  

I think VC may have more of a schmoozing human component than stock picking so that may play a role here.   I’ve noticed from the few Venture Capital folks that I know how they tend to be very bright and personable.    Yet even this is somewhat conspicuous given that average VC return is negative, where the average bright personable person is doing well.

Venture Capital: Fred rules but his 3x rule is too optimistic! ?


Fred Wilson’s got a fascinating post about his history of investments over at Union Square Ventures.   Of course he’s got every reason to post his results, which appear to be exceptional although he has left out a key factor in his little analysis, which is time.  I note over there:

Fred, these are impressive results and to my understanding much better than average VC returns, which are negative, right? Don Dodge posted min-analysis some time ago where he wound up concluding there was a lot more VC failure than is normally thought.

There are elite guys like you and Jeff Clavier who “beat the averages”, but isn’t “making money” with startups an unrealistic expectation, since those VCs and companies that succeed are still around to talk, but those who fail are not blogging about the burgers they now flip to pay the bills?

I’m also noting that without “time” as a factor the return is not meaningful. 3x is easy….if you use a 15 year horizon!

At a very modest annual return of 7.33% one would expect to triple an investment in 15 years.     A 10% return will leave you with 4.5x your initial investment in that same time frame.    More dramatically, if time is not a factor then I’m happy to guarantee you a return of, say, a million percent.  It’ll just take a while.

This isn’t to suggest Fred isn’t a great investor because I think he is the exception to the normal rule in Venture Capital, which are low returns.   After I wrote about Don Dodge’s suggestion that average VC returns appear to be negative  Jeff Clavier also suggested in a blog comment here that only the top 25% of VC firms are averaging positive returns, and this really shook up my understanding of things.